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There’s not a lot there for the traditional martial arts fan in you, but … I mean … did you watch that trailer?
More on topic I’ve been watching the DNA of GSP. Have you seen that one?
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Looks like real-life Brad-Pitt-in-Snatch kinda stuff. Mildly interesting, but can’t say I’d search it out, honestly.
Dunno what you’re talking about on that other one, either. Where you finding all this stuff?
Can’t remember where I first heard about Knuckle, probably on UG or Junkie. Or Jack Slack tweetering about it. Dunno, I’d known about it for a while but never tracked it down until recently. Heard about the DNA of GSP the same way probably and then it popped up on TV here and my wife DVRed that sucker. It has some goofy imagery, constantly cutting to prowling wolves, and you’ve probably seen plenty of GSP on Primetimes and Countdowns but you do get to see more of how he grew up and developed from the bullied kid into the beast and he lets his guard down more than he did when he was fighting regularly.
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And I’m sure you’re already all up in that Spider Life, but just in case you aren’t, here’s that Spider Life Episode #1. It’s in Portuguese but you can hit the YouTube subtitles button and it’s like the language barrier was only ever in our imaginations and fever dreams.
Ep 2 is out already. Plus here’s the main site – http://www.spiderlifeshow.com/
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Did you see the Virginia event Robby? I mean, maybe by now we should be accustomed to the fighter taking the more dramatic looking actions getting the nod over the more effective but less dramatic fighter by now, but you’d hope it’d be the other way round and judges would be getting more educated and understanding what’s really going in in there. I like Raging Al but no way Masvidal deserved to lose that.
On the plus side though Al was his typically outspoken self in the in-cage interview and presser. Sure it was wrong of him to hurl abuse back at the crowd but I get a kick out of how unguarded he is.
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See, I think that’s pretty funny. After the fight, I looked on Twitter to see what other people thought of the fight, and it was pretty split 50/50 on who they thought won. Personally, I called it – I thought it would be Al by split decision, and that’s what Bruce read. I think that round 2 was the most heavily disputed round. I personally think that even though Jorge probably landed the most significant strikes during the fight, I think that Al’s output was higher in rounds 2 and 3, and you also can’t forget that octagon control is part of the scoring, and Jorge was backing up in those rounds. By that rationale, the fact that round 1 was so strong for Jorge doesn’t mean that he should win the fight in totality, especially if you score based on that criteria. That being said, I really thought it was a toss-up.
I loved what Al did, honestly. I can definitely see it from his point of view, that there’s no way they should be booing after he fought like he did. Was his outburst uncalled for? Probably, but that’s what makes this interesting. He didn’t do it intentionally, but it’s what everyone was talking about.
Oh no you di’n’t Robby Michaels. I’ll see your Twitterings and raise you the media scores which were 13/2 in favour of Masvidal. On the UG and Junkie forums too, troll hives though they may be at times, the majority called it for Masvidal, and he’s not exactly a darling at those sites, nor is Al a heel. When I made those snide and razor-sharp remarks about judges “getting more educated” I’m talking about the fact that officially “effective striking” is the primary factor in MMA scoring. Octagon control 3rd, effective aggression 4th, and the Unified Rules mandate they be weighted in order. And in fact R2 was mostly a back and forth round, with neither guy taking control of the octagon until the last 2 min, when one guy did end up moving forward more than the other, but for those 2 min it wasn’t Raging Al consistently advancing, it was Masvidal. And Raging Al’s output was less in R2 than R1, while Masvidal’s workrate increased. Al got in some nice leg kicks, but not enough to overcome Masvidal’s far superior headshots, and some solid leg kicks of his own. And when you add in his superior octagon control, albeit with less emphasis, Masvidal gets R2.
R3 was the busiest round for both guys, and if you look at the stats – and yeah, sure, stats and grains of salts and all that, but even so – it’s by a decent amount too. This time it was Al who spent more time advancing, especially in the last 90 seconds, although as with R2 there was also plenty of back-and-forth, but, again, octagon control doesn’t have as much weight as effective striking and, again, in R3 Masvidal landed significantly more total strikes and landed them with better effect. The lasting impression was of Raging Al repeatedly swinging and missing as Masvidal circled out, landing jabs and/or hooks in reply. And recall that the law on scoring refers to effective aggression, as in “moving forward and landing a legal strike”, not just aggression in and of itself. Charging forward and repeatedly missing while the other guy successfully lands counters is not effective aggression. Also, when the law refers to examples of “fighting area control” it explicitly mentions “countering a grappler’s attempt at takedown by remaining standing and legally striking”, which is as good a description of what Masvidal did every time Al attempted a TD as you could get. It’s not as simple as holding the centre and backing the other guy up. Not only that but all fight long Masvidal put on a clinic in the art of rolling with punches, rendering most of the headshots Al did land 50-60% effective at best, while most of the time when Masvidal hit Al, Al’s head snapped back/sideways. So when it came to deciding what was a “significant” strike or not Masvidal should have been even further ahead, if anything, than the HUGE 34-26 advantage FightMetric gave him for R3.
To give Al R3 a judge has to be swayed by that bollocks old steal-the-round notion, where a guy can somehow lose 80% of a round and still take it because he won the last 20%, and even for that 20% the judge has to disregard the fact that effective striking has the most weight in scoring, because even as Raging Al tried to pour it on in those closing impression-leaving moments of “control” he was getting beat up by Masvidal.
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Whoa, boy are you fired up!
First, stats don’t tell the whole story. I saw the stats, and honestly was baffled by them. I don’t really remember either one taking round 2 or 3 definitively, and as I said, I thought it was a toss up. I really could see either one winning, because the fight was really close, except for round 1.
Second, it doesn’t really matter what anyone else thinks except for those three judges ultimately, because they were the ones judging. When I guessed the outcome, I played the fight back in my head quickly, and thought about how judges typically score fights. Jorge might have landed more shots, but his counter striking style almost looks lazy or passive with respect to Al moving forward more. On the MMA Hour today, Al talked about how his 8 failed takedowns according to FightMetric weren’t actually intended to be takedowns at all, that they were just ways for him to try and get close and get his hands on him. I think that it sounded a bit weird, but I don’t actually remember the fight that well.
When it really comes down to it, I’ve given up trying to figure out how judges see these things. And many have said that fights look and play different when you’re sitting right there next to the cage. What doesn’t make sense to me is the disparity in the judging, and I believe that has less to do with fighting styles or stats and has more to do with the fact that all of those things by which they judge the fight are just way too open for interpretation.
This fight was just too close, in my opinion.
Well, sure, I mentioned the “stats and grains of salts and all that”, but obviously in this case the stats do conveniently happen to tell the same story as I saw play out three times with my eyeballs, and as most people seemed to see play out, including the 13 out of 15 experienced media professionals. Experienced media professionals I feel are vitally important to consider as they’re maybe the only ones making comments on the internet that we can assume were sober aside from you and I.
My point from the get-go was about what we, and moreso the fighters, should be able to expect from the judges, not what we do expect in our jaded present. It’s not about being surprised at yet another wildly disputed decision, it’s about being disappointed by it. Not because we think we can change anything, just because we love the sport.
And yeah, I’ve seen the fight three times – twice on the day and again this morning. And yeah, I do have better things to do, but what the heck bro, I’m on study break for two weeks. I consider this statistical analysis. Also the analysis of statistical analysis.
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I MEAN LOOK AT THESE THINGS!!! 6 of them gave all three rounds to Jorge!!! 7 more had it 2-1 for Masvidal. The only ones who scored it for Al were Junkie, who admittedly are fully legit, and MMABrasil.com.br, and we both know never to trust a Brazilian. And I’m pretty sure Cardo Urso is Brazilian sooooooooooo …
Meanwhile fan scoring has it 70% for Masvidal, 24% for Al and 6% for a draw. I mean … that’s just good science.
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Haha, fired up is right. Wait, I better make sure I am sober.
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