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rob wrote:Comic book movies? Not for kids?
I don’t know, I just draw the line between juvenile and just insulting. I’m so juvenile! In fact, it would have been ten times better if Bumblebee was jerking it and he blew robot spunk on Turturro’s head. See? My movie’s better already!
Come ooooooon Rob, you know what I’m saying. Don’t try and tell me The Dark Knight is suitable for a six year old. Tranformers may have the same rating but it’s built to appeal to all ages, its far more goofy than it is serious. The darker comic book films aren’t written with anyone under ten in mind.
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Bucho wrote:Tranformers may have the same rating but it’s built to appeal to all ages.I dunno, for the most part, I don’t think Transformers appeals to all ages. The Dark Knight, on the other hand, would have blown my mind at 8 years old, and would have been one of those movies I would have kept watching over and over, and would be pissed if you had kept it from me. Shit, Raiders would have been PG-13 if the rating had existed in 1982, and I was 6 and loved it! Never pandering, that movie…
All right, all right — I…sort of agree with what you’re saying. I still think they play TOO much to the lowest common denominator, and I mean even for 8 year olds, but I think we agree on most of the things here. But I will always defend story over flashiness – if all you’re into is flashiness, then you could say you like the movie before you even saw it just by watching the flashy trailer.
I think the much more simple point is that yes, story beats flashy all day long, but it doesn’t mean that flashy doesn’t have it’s place, or can’t be enjoyed. It’s not making excuses for the film necessarily (though it does happen), it’s graded on it’s own merit. I think it’s fair to a degree, as long as you don’t try to compare the two. I don’t think Bucho is saying that they are a level playing field, and I don’t really think he’s making excuses for Transformers, but I do agree that it’s okay to grade it on it’s own merit. It’s a fancier way of saying “for what it is”, and while the gut reaction to that phrase is “bullshit!”, it’s still got it’s place. It’s usually the near-sighted point of view or the unintelligent low-brow overusing the phrase… not the idea of grading on it’s on merit that makes this phrase irritating to you.
You have movies that you like okay for what they are, I’ve even caught you using this phrase sir. Now zip it! Hug Bucho’s sheep, and let’s all make a real movie! I’ll go find the midgets.
Bucho wrote:The darker comic book films aren’t written with anyone under ten in mind.And when he says 10, he means inches. In the pants.
rob wrote:Bucho wrote:Tranformers may have the same rating but it’s built to appeal to all ages.I dunno, for the most part, I don’t think Transformers appeals to all ages. The Dark Knight, on the other hand, would have blown my mind at 8 years old, and would have been one of those movies I would have kept watching over and over, and would be pissed if you had kept it from me. Shit, Raiders would have been PG-13 if the rating had existed in 1982, and I was 6 and loved it! Never pandering, that movie…
All right, all right — I…sort of agree with what you’re saying. I still think they play TOO much to the lowest common denominator, and I mean even for 8 year olds, but I think we agree on most of the things here. But I will always defend story over flashiness – if all you’re into is flashiness, then you could say you like the movie before you even saw it just by watching the flashy trailer.
Nobody’s face gets melted half off by acid in Transformers, nobody gets tortured by a disfigured madman or has a pencil jammed into their eye socket. No heroic public figure is corrupted by the same villain so that he becomes a murderer. Of course every six year old boy wants to see it but they also want to eat nothing but candy and drink nothing but soda and stay up til three in the morning playing Grand Theft Auto and never go to school. The opinion of a six year old boy on what he gets to do or not do doesn’t count for shit, half the problem with the western world today is parents giving into their whiny fucking kids. The Dark Knight is a sobering meditation on the duality of man with some fancy costumes and gadgets and a comic book set piece or two thrown in. Transformers and Raiders, differences in quality aside, are both traditional boys own good vs evil action/adventure stories.
I think the difference between how we enjoy movies is that sometimes I still enjoy a predictable paint-by-numbers movie because I’m entertained by watching and recognizing the dopey pieces falling into place as much as I am by seeing the whole that the pieces form. The bad jokes don’t make me laugh because they’re funny, but because somewhere some writer believes it’s a good joke, or at least recognizes that there is an audience of mouth breathers who’ll love the joke. While the car is pissing on the agent I’m not thinking, “Hur, hur, car pissing on agent is fuddy,” I’m thinking, “Hur, hur, there’s a bunch of mongoloids out there who think pissing on the agent is fuddy.”
I think that difference, and why you feel insulted by the movie and I don’t, might be that you hate the stupid people who think Transformers is good story while I just think those people are funny. That probably comes down to two things, you’re smarter than I am, and you’ve had the misfortune to have to interact with more mouth breathers in your jobs than I have. If I was as smart as you and had to slog it out in retail for as many years as you did I’d hate them just as much.
(It’s hilarious that you’ve got me thinking this much about how I react to films not because of a respected film like Children Of Men or No Country For Old Men or Matchstick Men or Little Women, but because of a film designed to sell merch.)
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I don’t think it has much to do with being smart, I think I was just ruined by working across the counter from exactly those kind of people. That’s my biggest problem – I take a movie like TF offensively because I used to like it. I need to realize that my love for 70s martial arts movies can, and should, be looked at the same way.
So finally, I think we’ve come to some common ground. Let’s go down to the nearest pub, have some Komodo dragon eggs and a couple pints of lemur juice, and all will be well.
You guys go and do some nongay hugging and maybe a “good game” butt slap.
Then if things go well, maybe you can get Bucho’s shirt off.
rob wrote:I don’t think it has much to do with being smart, I think I was just ruined by working across the counter from exactly those kind of people. That’s my biggest problem – I take a movie like TF offensively because I used to like it. I need to realize that my love for 70s martial arts movies can, and should, be looked at the same way.So finally, I think we’ve come to some common ground. Let’s go down to the nearest pub, have some Komodo dragon eggs and a couple pints of lemur juice, and all will be well.
You old smoothy.
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Bing wrote:You guys go and do some nongay hugging and maybe a “good game” butt slap.Then if things go well, maybe you can get Bucho’s shirt off.
If you think I wear shirts then you need to do more research on New Zealand me old cobber. Naked as the day we were born, us, but ten times as hairy.
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@Version3 39390 wrote:
It’s a delicate balance sometimes, but I think you’ve picked two movies that will exemplify when the balance works, and when it falls right on it’s ass.
I got so caught up defending myself from Rob’s viscious, thug-like assault I forgot about the point I was wondering about when I posted the trailers. Which is that my immediate feeling was exactly the same as yours Bryan, that they both have, on the surface, almost everything in common, but, judging from these trailers alone, for whatever reason Transformers 2 looks like it will work better. If I had to lay it on something I’d say it comes down to a combination of the humour, with Shia out front, and that some of Joe’s action CGI looks undercooked, especially that last shot of them dodging rockets. It doesn’t fly at all.
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Thug-like. Dat’s right, muthafucka…
I just don’t get why in GI Joe they need suits. Um, yeah. It just…is so — something. And talk about something working better in the cartoon…
I just hope that it’s not like the A-Team. Someone should die.
Never fear!
I will use some Red Matter and make all these movies awesome and mind-blowingly in the good.
@rob 39683 wrote:
I just don’t get why in GI Joe they need suits.
Studio execs saw the numbers on Iron Man? Am I warm?
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