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Wow, Bryan — that was a pretty convincing argument. But…
Since when did any company do what’s good for the customer? Wouldn’t that cut into their profits?
Devil’s advocate, here, but yeah….
Wow, Bryan — that was a pretty convincing argument. But…
Since when did any company do what’s good for the customer? Wouldn’t that cut into their profits?
Devil’s advocate, here, but yeah….
Oh no, I wouldn’t actually expect any company (except maybe a new one trying to make a name for itself) to do what’s best for the consumer, that part is a pipe dream. But in the case of this format war, I believe we’ve got two development pipelines (televisions and movie formats) that overlap each other, but don’t coincide well enough to result in ideal sales. For this to really work, those would have to fit together better. My remaining points are just my case that if they changed the model, they’d do much better than the studios claim they will. At least I think that’s what I was trying to say… I have no desire to re-read all that. 😛
Oh no, I wouldn’t actually expect any company (except maybe a new one trying to make a name for itself) to do what’s best for the consumer, that part is a pipe dream. But in the case of this format war, I believe we’ve got two development pipelines (televisions and movie formats) that overlap each other, but don’t coincide well enough to result in ideal sales. For this to really work, those would have to fit together better. My remaining points are just my case that if they changed the model, they’d do much better than the studios claim they will. At least I think that’s what I was trying to say… I have no desire to re-read all that. 😛
Bryan gets a big A-M-E-N for his DRM speech! But you mention that companies will want us to buy a copy of the content for each device….You must have missed something because this is happening now. Fair use is a concept that seems to have been lost on all these people as well as our legislators, since the DMCA made is largely a moot point. Apparently, the industry is completely ignoring history and the fact that when cassette recorders came out, they cried foul and told everyone that the world would end and no one would ever buy another album…Same thing with the VCR….Hmmm…Seems like we have a couple of precedents here…
As for the technology side, it’s not even as simple as just having an HDMI connector on the TV. I have a 3 year old 42″ plasma that is capable of 720p and has an HDMI connector, but I KNOW that it does not support HDCP, which is required for the disk-to-eyeball encryption that the MPAA requires for the new hi-def standards.
Rob, do you really thingk there are 2,000,000 PS3’s in homes right now? I think that number is largely inflated. Sony has a big problem on their hands with that one as supply is vastly outstripping demand on that particular item. You’re right, the specs are useless to the argument and while Blu-Ray does look superior on paper, you can’t argue with the $200 add-on HD-DVD drive for the XBox 360. now that’s a price point people can live with.
I’ve completely forgotten what my point was, but this sure is a fun discussion…:-)
Bryan gets a big A-M-E-N for his DRM speech! But you mention that companies will want us to buy a copy of the content for each device….You must have missed something because this is happening now. Fair use is a concept that seems to have been lost on all these people as well as our legislators, since the DMCA made is largely a moot point. Apparently, the industry is completely ignoring history and the fact that when cassette recorders came out, they cried foul and told everyone that the world would end and no one would ever buy another album…Same thing with the VCR….Hmmm…Seems like we have a couple of precedents here…
As for the technology side, it’s not even as simple as just having an HDMI connector on the TV. I have a 3 year old 42″ plasma that is capable of 720p and has an HDMI connector, but I KNOW that it does not support HDCP, which is required for the disk-to-eyeball encryption that the MPAA requires for the new hi-def standards.
Rob, do you really thingk there are 2,000,000 PS3’s in homes right now? I think that number is largely inflated. Sony has a big problem on their hands with that one as supply is vastly outstripping demand on that particular item. You’re right, the specs are useless to the argument and while Blu-Ray does look superior on paper, you can’t argue with the $200 add-on HD-DVD drive for the XBox 360. now that’s a price point people can live with.
I’ve completely forgotten what my point was, but this sure is a fun discussion…:-)
Yeah, but let’s say you’re not a gamer. If you already have an Xbox 360, then great. But if you don’t, the prices are very similar. That number was from thedigitalbits — the PS3 number. And it’s worldwide. But still — if you go back and read the rest of Bill’s comment (from thedigitalbits), I think he’s pretty clear. He has both, he’s seen the difference (or lack of difference), and he’s right.
If there’s no discernible difference in quality with the two, then it comes down to two things — software, and price. And maybe installed base — and that’s why the number of PS3s sold plays in so well. If you don’t have either game system, and don’t plan on it — what do you buy? And what do the people at the stores say? Well, from experience, they all say go with Blu-Ray. Now that doesn’t mean they’re right, but if they’re all telling people that — what are people going to buy?
And as far as software — I’ve been watching the releases. I really want an HD movie player. And there are SO many more Blu-Ray titles that are being announced that I want. Pirates 2. Casino Royale.
Oh, and since HDMI isn’t being enforced (yet), that’s not really an issue, either. From what I’ve read (I might have already said this), it seems that you need a 1080i 50″+ size TV to really see the difference. In future, when HDMI becomes enforced (and it’s anyone’s guess as to when it will), anyone without an HDMI connection will need a new TV anyway.
Okay, I’m done for a while. Whew!
Yeah, but let’s say you’re not a gamer. If you already have an Xbox 360, then great. But if you don’t, the prices are very similar. That number was from thedigitalbits — the PS3 number. And it’s worldwide. But still — if you go back and read the rest of Bill’s comment (from thedigitalbits), I think he’s pretty clear. He has both, he’s seen the difference (or lack of difference), and he’s right.
If there’s no discernible difference in quality with the two, then it comes down to two things — software, and price. And maybe installed base — and that’s why the number of PS3s sold plays in so well. If you don’t have either game system, and don’t plan on it — what do you buy? And what do the people at the stores say? Well, from experience, they all say go with Blu-Ray. Now that doesn’t mean they’re right, but if they’re all telling people that — what are people going to buy?
And as far as software — I’ve been watching the releases. I really want an HD movie player. And there are SO many more Blu-Ray titles that are being announced that I want. Pirates 2. Casino Royale.
Oh, and since HDMI isn’t being enforced (yet), that’s not really an issue, either. From what I’ve read (I might have already said this), it seems that you need a 1080i 50″+ size TV to really see the difference. In future, when HDMI becomes enforced (and it’s anyone’s guess as to when it will), anyone without an HDMI connection will need a new TV anyway.
Okay, I’m done for a while. Whew!
I think it’s funny that we’ve moved from porn to the console war.
Hey 333 posts!
That’s the CPU clock speed of the PSP…
Btw, they sell combo Blu-Ray/HD players now;http://www.lge.com
EDITED by Rob: I’m sure you meant LG Electronics instead of…whatever lge.com was.
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Fixed linkI think it’s funny that we’ve moved from porn to the console war.
Hey 333 posts!
That’s the CPU clock speed of the PSP…
Btw, they sell combo Blu-Ray/HD players now;http://www.lge.com
EDITED by Rob: I’m sure you meant LG Electronics instead of…whatever lge.com was.
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Fixed linkSo, just a little more…
I wrote a letter to Universal Studios today, since they’re one of two studios exclusively releasing content on HD-DVD. Bill from thedigitalbits thought that if Universal turned, it’d be the end of HD-DVD. So here’s what I wrote…
Quote:Any single customer interested in high-definition movies has to utter a single question — what are the differences between HD-DVD and Blu-Ray? The fact is, this is a question customers should not be asking.Although I believe that Sony’s way of doing things was a bit irresponsible, a unified HD format for DVD’s next format should have been reached. And since it was not, the lines were drawn in the sand.
As a well-informed consumer, I understand the ties that Universal Studios has with Microsoft (NBC/Universal, MSNBC), and that, however well-informed a consumer might be, he might not know all aspects of an agreement like this. But, in light of apparent current trends, this is a war that the HD-DVD front is losing. Being the only studio exclusively releasing content on HD-DVD, is it not time to do what makes sense for the industry, and in the long run, what’s best for not only the consumer, but Universal Studios itself?
I urge you to take action, to announce your support wholeheartedly for Blu-Ray, or at the very least, for Warner’s Total HD discs. The consumers are ready for HD — it’s time to give it to them in one, single, industrywide move, and Universal Studios can help lead the way.
Thank you.
I urge you to do the same, if you’re ready for this war to end. Blu-Ray players will be down in price by the end of the year and all of the studios can concentrate on what matters — the movies and the special features. So yeah!
Universal Studios Home Video
70 Universal City Plaza
Universal City, CA 91608
(818) 777-4400
Studio email formSo, just a little more…
I wrote a letter to Universal Studios today, since they’re one of two studios exclusively releasing content on HD-DVD. Bill from thedigitalbits thought that if Universal turned, it’d be the end of HD-DVD. So here’s what I wrote…
Quote:Any single customer interested in high-definition movies has to utter a single question — what are the differences between HD-DVD and Blu-Ray? The fact is, this is a question customers should not be asking.Although I believe that Sony’s way of doing things was a bit irresponsible, a unified HD format for DVD’s next format should have been reached. And since it was not, the lines were drawn in the sand.
As a well-informed consumer, I understand the ties that Universal Studios has with Microsoft (NBC/Universal, MSNBC), and that, however well-informed a consumer might be, he might not know all aspects of an agreement like this. But, in light of apparent current trends, this is a war that the HD-DVD front is losing. Being the only studio exclusively releasing content on HD-DVD, is it not time to do what makes sense for the industry, and in the long run, what’s best for not only the consumer, but Universal Studios itself?
I urge you to take action, to announce your support wholeheartedly for Blu-Ray, or at the very least, for Warner’s Total HD discs. The consumers are ready for HD — it’s time to give it to them in one, single, industrywide move, and Universal Studios can help lead the way.
Thank you.
I urge you to do the same, if you’re ready for this war to end. Blu-Ray players will be down in price by the end of the year and all of the studios can concentrate on what matters — the movies and the special features. So yeah!
Universal Studios Home Video
70 Universal City Plaza
Universal City, CA 91608
(818) 777-4400
Studio email formI’m in the Audio Visual industry, and this one has got everyone confused and annoyed… I don’t know what it’s like in the States, But downunder were still hiring VHS tapes in Blockbuster…. So rushing into this one is not a biggie for most people here. Most of the Ozzie Joe Public have still got to go through the DVD Revolution yet 🙂
I also remember reading an article, about 4 years or so ago, saying that the DVD format would be good for the next 100 years or so! Hmmm they got that one a bit wrong by 90ish years….. It’ll be interesting to see how long HDDVD/BR last?
Just my 2c worth, now I’m off to crank up the phonogram.. Have a nice weekend all 🙂
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