Does life have an end?

[ROSS]

Now this is a question to which we will probably never have an answer to, but whos to say we cant attempt it anyway! Or at least guess or hope!
So, what do you think happens when we “die” does our body just lie in the ground and eventually rot away and that is the end, or are we we doomed to be stuck in an endless cycle of birth and re-birth, or does our “spirit” go to an amazing place we have come to know as “heaven”or do we go to a terrible place to be stuck in an endless life of damnation in a place we have come to know as “hell”?
I actually have two main questions to ask you all, What would you LIKE to happen when we die? and What do you think is most LIKELY to happen when we die?.

[ElNacho]

what would i like there to be? well heaven of course. endless paradise? that’s like, duh, who wouldn’t. but i dont think that it exists, because it’s neither scientifically or religiously (ama jew) plausible

i have three theories, that i believe possible by way of science

1.i think the universe is infinitely long, and follows no specific plan. chaotic. so, like pi, being infinitely long and chaotic. every single possible assimilation of matter and energy is, sometime, going to exist. so, somewhere, there will be a brain with the exact same electrical signals firing, the same synapses, everything exactly the same as your head…the moment before you die. but this mind will not die here. this mind will continue. but because it had the exact same brainwaves, everything exactly the same as your head the moment before you die…your awareness, your conscienciousness will continue there, however many trillians or pentillians of years in the future it is. and that will happen forever. your mind dies here, oh look it continues there. etc.

2.a slightly edited to make sense here post i made on the NaD forum:

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perp’s i dont understand enough physics yet to make this assumption, but going out on a limb here, id say that basically, there is no…well, look this…if you were to take a “snapshot” of the universe, down to every atom, every subatomic particle…record all the energys and forces, everything’s magnitude and direction…then it would be easy to know what the next nanosecond would have. and the one after. from the second the universe started, the rest of time could not be…altered from the path it has.

this brings up consciousness, choice. i understand how simple organisms, single celled beings, work. simple chemical reactions trigger other chemical reactions. but in more sophisticated beings…humans, for instance…the chemical reactions only affect the outcome. neurotransmitters tell the brain to say “ouch”, but that can’t MAKE you take your hand off the hotplate. but all the synapses, all the electric activity in your head…that’s all…predictable. you could, if you could record all particles and such…you could see where the next would be. and the next. no choice. it was determined from the start of the universe

but im thinking, how could that be? if they could record all the particles, and zoom ahead a few minutes…it would be easy to do something different. take the green card instead of the red.

so i think there’s choice. i dont think it’s all determinable. you go down below the subatomic level…way, way down to the quantum physics level…where there is truly randomness. and i think there, there is where choice exists. there is where you can affect the outcome. now, piss on me how, but i think consciousness connects, somehow, with that quantum level, and steers the only part of the universe whose reactions cant be predicted. and affects where that next synapse is.

i think that your mind is but an “interface” with your body. your consciencness lies in another dimension. the lo dimension. and there is where it interfaces with the nuerons of your brain. and when that interface is interrupted…it searches elsewhere for somewhere to “plug in”. does something like that.

3.we all go to the great death star in the sky

[rob]

This could go in a dangerous direction, so please everyone, respect the feelings of others…

That being said, when we die, I don’t think there is a grand exit, or anything. I’d like to think that there’s a transfer of energy, but I really don’t think anything happens. To some, that might be scary, but for me, death is just a part of life, nothing more.

[ElNacho]

rob wrote:

death is just a part of life

ive never really understood that. that’s like saying night is a part of day, or salt is a part of pepper

[rob]

Death isn’t really the opposite of life. It’s what happens at the end of life, it’s a stage us living beings go through. If you look at it that way, it’s much less scary.

Of course, yes, death is the opposite of life, but hopefully you see what I mean. I’m more scared of missing out on stuff than death, really. Like, if I died before Episode III came out, well that would have sucked. Or, if I die before I read the final Harry Potter book, well that would suck, too.

[ElNacho]

rob wrote:

it’s a stage us living beings go through

hahaha…
“What’s with billly?”

“it’s just a stage”

whoa…deja vu…

[Bucho]

I like your style El Nacho. I can get what you’re saying in the first example but even if an exact copy of your being occurs elsewhere in the continuum, it’s still not you. In the second example, given that at the quantum level there is uncertainty about the position of particles, if consciousness connects there are you saying that conscious decisions are essentially random? And also, where you talk about consciousness operating in another dimension, are you calling the quantum level a dimension?

- Women sense my power and they seek the life essence.

[ElNacho]

mm…
imagine another dimension. on that nova special, it said there were like…membranes of dimensions, and that’s kinda how im imagining it…imagine 2 membranes. 1 is the universe in which we live with our 4 dimensions, and the other is where our conscienouses are. now imagine the point in spacetime where your brain is and the point in whatever other dimension that is…imagine those two membranes touching right there.
now the quantum level…it appears random, but i think in that part of your brain, that’s where it’s guided, in a way. randomness with a liking to your intentions, to whatever you’re trying to make your brain percieve, do, whatever

given that example of what consciousness is, though, the first thing i said would work, so my two things don’t coincide
if every single nueron in your head, every single energy wave at the exact same point, every subatomic particle and synapse firing at the exact same point, bucho, you dont think that would be the same thing? because if not, it would be 100% certain that there’s more to consciousness than your brain.

[ElNacho]

rob wrote:

I’d like to think that there’s a transfer of energy

what, like yer head get’s real hot or something ❓ 😈

[Bucho]

ElNacho wrote:

.. given that example of what consciousness is, though, the first thing i said would work, so my two things don’t coincide
if every single nueron in your head, every single energy wave at the exact same point, every subatomic particle and synapse firing at the exact same point, bucho, you dont think that would be the same thing? because if not, it would be 100% certain that there’s more to consciousness than your brain.

By “things” you mean the two theories? Or the two dimensions?

It still seems to me that if two entities are experiencing identical things right down to the primary level there are still two seperate entities with seperate consciousnesses.

- Women sense my power and they seek the life essence.

[ElNacho]

the two theories

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