August 16, 2008 at 8:03 pm #13324digitaltopiaParticipant
Like when she says, “If that’s your star fighter, I’d love to see the size of your battle cruiser!” And then he starts to chuckle at her comment, gets hit in the face with a cream pie, trips over a hose, and steps on a squeaky rubber duck.August 16, 2008 at 10:16 pm #13293
That trying to appeal to all audiences is exactly what Lucas keeps doing wrong. It was the wrong recipe for the prequels, it was the wrong recipe for this movie (from what I hear) and for the involvement he had, it seemed an awful lot like this recipe was applied to Indy 4… and of course it is that stuff that I had a major problem with.
He’s a mediocre filmmaker in my opinion, one that had an incredible idea that he was passionate about once. Since then, it’s been about money, or some reflection of an artistic idea. Just my opinion though.August 16, 2008 at 10:52 pm #13344El RustirinoParticipant
Just because it’s on Cartoon Network doesn’t give it the excuse to suck. There have been awesome cartoons for kids that didn’t have any characters (hutts, no less) named fucking STINKYAugust 18, 2008 at 1:19 am #13359thx_1227ParticipantEl Rustirino wrote:Just because it’s on Cartoon Network doesn’t give it the excuse to suck. There have been awesome cartoons for kids that didn’t have any characters (hutts, no less) named fucking STINKY
Dude, that was a nickname given to him by a teenager. In all fairness, Ashoka’s nicknames for things bothered me, but I have a teenage sister and she makes up those kinds of nicknames for things as well…August 18, 2008 at 3:21 am #13294
Are you just beating around the bush here… your teenage sister nicknamed you stinky, didn’t she?August 24, 2008 at 4:54 am #13362
Its just a part of who Asoka is , a particularly annoying part, but at least its consistent. She call nearly everyone annoying nicknames, be they R-tooie, Sky-Guy or Stinky. That’s certainly not enough to ruin a movie. I don’t know what all the critics are bitching about in all honestly. Its like A) They don’t get that its stylized, hence why it looks the way it does. B) They wanted to hate this thing so freaking badly that they were going to find something bad even if they had to invent stupid reasons to do so. C) They are taking this as an occaision to slam on George.
In all honesty, the humor was done better in this movie than any of the prequels. Even the battle droids, the attempts of humor using them in episode three was cringe-worthy but here they even got a few laughs out of me.August 24, 2008 at 5:27 am #13295
Hey welcome… what’s your operating number? (who are you?)August 24, 2008 at 5:37 am #13363
I’m Eagle, though its not my real name, its what I prefer to be called online. I was kinda introduced to this show by THX, and then he encouraged me to join the forums. I kinda dragged my heels on it, but when I saw the contents of this thread, I just had to post.August 24, 2008 at 6:04 am #13310robParticipant
Welcome, Eagle. Good to see someone new after all this time.
When you say, “but at least it’s consistent,” do you mean it’s consistently bad? Because I’m not so sure that’s a good thing. I don’t really understand why they would take something that works and then say, “Oh, screw that, let’s go this route.” That’s just silly to me. And that’s just not a Lucas thing. At this point, I think that it’s grown beyond Lucas, I think he just must approve these things.
That being said, I’ve tried not to be a Lucas “apologist”, as some might call me. I believe the guy’s pretty brilliant, and that anything that he comes out with I will be interested in watching. But I ask this on behalf of all Star Wars fans — “Give it a rest, George.” Just stop. Stop with the Star Wars stuff. Jesus, there’s another copy of the Trilogies coming out this year. With NOTHING new on them, just repackaging. STOP THAT SHIT! It’s just annoying and stupid. And for those interested, if you’re in the Lucas “apologist” group or the “Lucas raped my childhood” group, this was an interesting read to me.August 24, 2008 at 2:22 pm #13364
When I said ‘At least its consistent’ what I meant was that its a part of a character. People get annoyed with me for getting really angry during discussions, but I consistently get mad during discussions, its a part of me, but at least they kept her character the same through the movies. And she’s a teenaged girl, we do those sorts of things. I have all sorts of nicknames for people that I make up on the spot and consistently call people. Its a part of Asoka’s character.August 24, 2008 at 6:50 pm #13345El RustirinoParticipant
Yeah, at least it’s consistent. At least she makes up annoying nicknames for all the characters.
By the way, George Lucas actually is a self absorbed, egotistical prick. Seriously.
EDIT: By the way, I love Star Wars. I pointed out inconsistencies in the Star Tours queue at Disneyland on Friday. But I don’t swallow every Star Wars related thing they put out – I don’t buy all the collector’s editions, I won’t have a few different copies of the same movie. One is fine for me.August 24, 2008 at 7:58 pm #13311robParticipant
It just irritates me when I see 4 or 5 different versions of the same movie. And it could be any movie — when the studios put out a new edition of a movie mere months after the original came out, it just irks me. I did buy the last Star Wars Trilogy set from Best Buy (with the originals on the second disc) because I got a good deal on them, but it just irritates me. I didn’t buy the last Indy set (with extra shit on each disc) for that reason. I just won’t do it anymore. Like you said, Rusty, one version is enough.
And now that Blu-Ray is kicking all sorts of ass, a new DVD version is almost worthless now. It really sobered me up when I traded in some DVDs and got like 75 cents for some of them. That’s just ridiculous.August 24, 2008 at 11:03 pm #13296
I don’t like the stance of Lucas apologists. To me, they are making excuses that are based on the fact that they want to like it, not actual reasoning. Although sometimes I appear to be someone who just claims to hate modern Lucas, I don’t like that stance either. It’s just babyish arm folding, and provides no real reasoning to like or dislike any of the decisions made on these franchises. I don’t hate modern Lucas, he still influences a great deal of the industry (and related industries) that we love so much, but let me try to explain my feeling on how currently.
You ever seen someone go from no money, to wildly successful? -Like a lottery winner. Yeah, watch a special on lottery winners. You will find that the vast majority of them buy 7 bedroom houses for two people to live in, 15 cars, or a Vette of every year, imported rare wood funiture that they don’t sit on, etc. The point is, those people are in a position that alters who they are. They no longer have to weigh purchases on their merit, or based them on their strongest desires, they do whatever they want with their money just because they can. In doing it this way, they tend to make a ton of decisions and purchases that just don’t make sense to anyone else, and suck to the casual or frequent observer.
Now, Lucas is a genius and visionary… he gets this credit industry wide and from his fan base almost constantly (barring of course the credit role in his latest few efforts). He deserves it, because he earned it, by being exactly what he is getting credit for. Then because of this, he experienced enormous success. You could even say in the area of cinematic success (and earnings) he hit the Hollywood lottery. Guess what he did with it? Well, he didn’t have to try to make an artistic vision, and he didn’t have to make the most of his choices any longer. He was free to do whatever he wanted because in the end the choice frequency and rate of success didn’t influence his general success any longer. Even more so than the example before, his winnings continue to pay. So, the filters of making the most of his choices fall away, and you get the tinkering and messing about with the properties, and films that seem to come from a very different point of motivation than most of Hollywood.
I think success will do this to MANY people in all industries, it’s more apparent in Hollywood because we all pay attention to it. Success spawn people that have the freedom to make choices in filmmaking that they would not have the freedom and confidence to make without the degree of success, and more importantly, without the second guessing, judgment calls and fears associated with making the wrong decision. So back to Lucas here, he’d already made a couple of films before becoming the biggest Sci-Fi movie making icon on the planet. And, did they suck? Sure THX 1138 isn’t a great movie, but it’s still full of great ideas and gutsy filmmaking; the kind of gambles one takes for the sake of the film, not because there is no such thing as failure. Once huge success had hit, comfort in that success has likely lead to the continuos string that many view as bad decision making. It should have been apparent to us all with Ewok spinoffs and Star Wars X-mas specials. This degree of goof-up from Lucas is not new, it just has a much bigger budget, and is part of a much larger rolling snowball.
If you want to measure if he is a genius or not, strip the dialogue and look at what happens in his filmmaking; the incredible ideas, the larger than life worlds, the new technical marvels, the impact on the whole industry. He hasn’t stopped being any of those things, but unfortunately, he may not be the strongest write, or character directory. I think he knew this once, and I think he knew when to take it slow, when to back off, when to listen to others and when he was sure he was right. Now, due to success, the latter probably occurs far more often than the former. Understandably so, but it won’t make me like any of the mistakes anymore, it will just temper my expectations for anything he is involved in… ever.
That’s how I really feel about it, and that’s what I mean if I happen to say “Fuck Lucas” or “Lucas sucks”. I mean the results of his actions, because that’s how the man is defined to me, working from home in North TX without a thing in the world putting me in touch with who he really is, or how he spends his day influencing the world. I just don’t want him to direct anything for at least a while, don’t write dialogue ever again, and be a hands off producer forever. I think from his successful position, he would make the most positive impact from this position, but then nobody pays me to influence Hollywood.October 6, 2008 at 9:34 pm #13360thx_1227Participant
So…the first two episodes aired last Friday night. I thought they were pretty awesome, and it seems even the people that hated the movie are more inclined to like this. I guess they just didn’t get that the “movie” was just a glorified pilot episode…
Anyway, anyone else watch it?October 6, 2008 at 11:52 pm #13365
I did, I did, I did and I liked it
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